In November of 2025, I joined one of my closest friends Jason Catron and his co-host Shelby Rollins on The Vocal Lab Podcast. We sat down, I put on my Pivotol “mind” for a conversation that blends identity, creativity, and the unexpected. From the shrimp boat–style lunch where Jason and I first connected to the deeper questions behind the real X-factor—do we truly know ourselves?—I got to explore why the Relational Economy may matter more than talent alone. You’ll hear why choosing your “spot” is everything, how one decision can redirect a life, and why what’s meant for you somehow finds its way. Plus, get a first look at the new At Depth podcast launching January 1st. Over an hour of insight, stories, and reflection—don’t miss it.